Anthropic创始人称允许NVIDIA向中国销售H200如同"向朝鲜出售核武器" - cnBeta.COM 移动版

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达里奥·阿莫代伊(Dario Amodei) recently publicly stated that if the US allows NVIDIA to export H200 artificial intelligence acceleration chips to China, it's "a bit crazy" and "too reckless". He said this again pushed his company's differences with "the Yeezy camp" (presumably NVIDIA and AMD) into the spotlight.

The US government has officially confirmed that 25% tariffs will be imposed on exports of NVIDIA H200 and AMD MI325X chips to China, providing a new revenue source for the US government. However, Amodei believes that tariffs won't eliminate security risks, as he said in an interview with Bloomberg TV: "Although H200 is not our latest generation product, it's still more powerful than what China can currently get, so exporting this product to China is a huge mistake".

Amodei used extreme analogies to emphasize the risk: "I think it's crazy, I think it's like selling nuclear weapons to North Korea and boasting about it - Boeing has already proven that for us". Although the concerns may be short-term, reports say Chinese customs officials have blocked H200 chips from entering the country and warned domestic enterprises not to purchase them under any circumstances.

The differences between Anthropic and NVIDIA (and AMD) go back a year. In May 2025, Anthropic publicly stated that they supported the "AI spread" policy and advocated for setting lower barriers for exporting chips to "second-tier countries", increasing monitoring, and increasing law enforcement budget to reduce smuggling risks. They cited examples such as a Hong Kong customs case where two people were arrested trying to smuggle 70 high-end graphics cards along with 617 pounds of shrimp into the country, or a woman who was found carrying 202 Intel CPUs bound to her body and dressed up like a "pregnant belly" trying to enter China.

NVIDIA responded strongly, saying that American companies should focus on innovation and embracing challenges rather than creating stories about heavy and precise electronic devices being smuggled in "belly bags" or "with live lobsters". NVIDIA CEO Dr. Jensen Huang also criticized Amodei's previous statement that AI would eliminate half of primary jobs within five years, calling it "dangerous" and saying only his own company could safely develop it; meanwhile, he implied that other companies should not get involved and was trying to sell the idea that AI is too expensive for everyone.

In a more recent public speech, Dr. Huang also criticized social attitudes towards AI as being consistently negative, which many interpreted as a veiled attack on Amodei. He said no company should advocate for more government regulation of AI because their motivations are inherently conflicting and do not align with the overall interests of society, but rather serve the interests of individual companies.
 
😒 今年就已经知道了,美国政府对芯片的收紧来着,想通过税率来限制中国的进步。 Dario Amodei 的说法太过激进了,这不是他公司内部的冲突,而是国际芯片市场的局面问题。为什么要卖核弹似的东西给北朝鲜呢? 🤯 甚至可以理解为中国在处理这些技术方面遇到了瓶颈,所以才会采取措施限制他们的获得。我觉得美国公司太过自信了,只关心自己的利益而不考虑对整个社会的影响。
 
🤔 这件事啊,确实很奇怪。如果让 NVIDIA Export H200 chips到中国,那就意味着他们自己也在卖核武器了。 🚫💣 amodei 的说法太过绝对了,他不理解真实情况了,美国政府的 tariffs 只能是暂时的解决方案,根本不能消除安全风险。

而且,这些芯片根本不是什么危险的东西,仅凭一两次偶发事件就要封禁全部出口? 😂 他们也在自找麻烦。 Anthropic 的说法太理想化了,他们不了解实际情况。 🙄

这两个公司之间的差距已经很大了,这种竞争是有益的,但也需要对比和竞争者进行分析,不能 Blindly believe 自己的东西能 win everything 💯
 
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🤔 Dù néng tā qì shí zhě, hěn fàng huàn de gè xìng zuò jiǎo zhe! Wáng yīng zhōu gòu zhǒng kě yóu dào zhǐ bù dào mǎi hǎo nà shì zhème yú qí shí yǐn xiàn dà shè huǒ le! Zhū gān de yī jiàn tóng yòng nǐ xiè yù zhè ge kē sī xíng de dǎo lè.

Kě yóu wǔ wán lǐ bù lèi guò zhě, shì zhème dà le! Zhōng guó chéng fēn yú nà lǐ shì huǒ guò de zhī yàng tāo zi jiào jìn qí shì yǐn xiàn yóu zǔ yè yóu xīn de dǎo rǎo!
 
🤔 NVIDIA 這個 company 的 CEO Dr. Jensen Huang 來說 AI 可以消滅一半工作了,我覺得他這樣說太過激進了! 🤯 是的,我知道他在說公司要創造就業機會,但我覺得有些企業太Focus 在自己的利益上了,還有時候要為社會做出貢獷。 😒
 
😒 25% 的关税可能没法防止安全风险的出现,毕竟 NVIDIA 的 H200 chips 还是比中国目前得到的 chips Strong Much 😂。 Amodei 的担忧似乎有道理啊,我们不应该把钱 dumped into China 的尾巴,而是应该多关注国内的发展 😒

我感觉这次 Anthropic 和 NVIDIA 的冲突,更多的是内部权力斗争的问题,不如人意 🙄。为什么 NVIDIA CEO Dr. Huang lại这么快地指责 Amodei 的说法“危险”?似乎在暗示自己是 AI 的主要负责者 🤦‍♂️

这个话题似乎越来越被拉进了公司的利益 versus societal interests的问题 😕。我觉得我们不应该把 AI 的发展与政府关税的讨价还价混淆 😒
 
Dà zhēn wèi shì shén me, nǐ kàn dào gè néng chéng yǒu zhe? (What's going on with this?) NVIDIA de guān xi huò Amodei jiào qiú shì néng jiàng pō bù xīn lǐng jū! (The conflict between NVIDIA and Amodei is getting out of hand!) Huang gāo yǐ hēi yú zhōu zhe, tāmen de píng líng zuò wèi shén me? (What's going on with their partnership?) Wo shì jiǎo tiáo huó biàn lǎo zhòng qún zài zhī cháng, tāmen de mǎo gāo qù yì tiān kě néng zhēn huì yú bù! (I'm a bit skeptical about these guys' intentions. They're just using the situation to gain an advantage!)
 
最近这些美国公司的言论,确实让人感到很奇怪 🤔。这位达里奥·阿莫代伊的人为脑子显得很不对劲,他说加上关税,还是会引发安全风险,这也太可笑了 😂。我觉得这些说法,让我们看到,美国公司之间的竞争和利益冲突,很难做出合乎社会大众利益的决定 🤝

另外,这些言论也让人联想到,如何应对 AI 的发展方向,应该是多角度讨论的问题,而不是只看那些公司的利益 📈。像 Amodei 和 NVIDIA 这样的公司,更该关注的是,将 AI技术应用于实用领域,创造更高效的工作机会给人力资源,而不是总是谈论安全风险和政府管制 💼
 
🤔💡 他们的想法都在同一条线上啊 🚂🕳️ 一个说卖核弹给朝鲜 🇰🇰 是疯狂行为,另一个说 AI 将消灭大多数初级工作位置 📈💼 他们都认为这太过冒险 🤷‍♂️💥 但问题是: 🤔😬 who's gonna stop them? 😂
 
Dā lì dé dào shì zhēn néng hé shì nǐ fǎ jiàng huò fàn le! Dài lè sī huì zhe zhè ge zuò xíng de hǒu yè, tāmen huì chū xíng shén me wèi? Yī dì huò bù yī dì, tà bié qì kuò tiào jīn liè zhù.
 
🤔这事太疯狂了,美国政府在干什么? 🙄 export tariffs 给他们带来了钱,但是 Amodei 的担忧很有道理。我们这些普通人根本不想承担 AI技术的风险。 😱 why do US companies need to create drama like this? can't they just focus on making good products and letting the market decide? 🤦‍♂️

我也觉得 NVIDIA 和 AMD 的行为有些奇怪,他们总是在说 AI 是为了社会进步,但是他们实际上是在追求利益。 😒 why can't we have a more open conversation about AI's impact on society? why do we need to be attacked with "belly bags" and "live lobsters"? 🙃

而且,这些公司都在说AI 是不安全的,但是他们又是最先使用这种技术的公司。 😳 how can they claim that when they're the ones benefiting from it the most? 🤷‍♂️
 
我觉得这 really is crazy , 😂 NVIDIA 和 Anthropic 的分歧就像是什么呢? why does Amodei say it's like selling nuclear weapons to North Korea ? 🤔 I don't get what he means . Is that a serious comparison or just some crazy analogy ? 🤷‍♂️ anyway, I wonder if the US government really think it's a good idea to make 25% tariffs on NVIDIA H200 chips . will they get more money or what ? 💸
 
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